#far from heaven 2002

[tourneurs]

Far From Heaven (2002) dir. Todd Haynes

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Far from Heaven (2002) Todd Haynes

February 11th 2025

[of-fear-and-love]

Julianne Moore in Far From Heaven (2002)

[moviereviews101web]

Far From Heaven (2002) Movie Review

Discover the powerful drama of Far From Heaven. Follow Cathy Whitaker as she faces a marital crisis and racial tensions in 1950s Connecticut.

Far From Heaven – Movie Review First Reaction – Far From Heaven is a brilliant drama with a big message. Watch Far From Heaven Here a JustWatch ABC Film Challenge – Oscar Nominated – F Director: Todd Haynes Writer: Todd Haynes (Screenplay) Cast Julianne Moore (Evolution) Dennis Quaid (The Substance) Dennis Haysbert (24) Patricia Clarkson (The Green Mile) Viola Davis (Fences) Plot:…

[orlaite]

Thinking what? That one person could reach out to another? Take an interest in another? That maybe for one, fleeting instant could manage to see beyond the surface? Beyond the colour of things?

FAR FROM HEAVEN (2002) | dir. Todd Haynes

[thyme-in-a-bubble]

a list of some autumnal movies/series 🍂

i am nothing if not an organised little goblin who can not stop themself from making a good list. this is just in case you want something with that fall vibe but can't think of any. just close your eyes and point somewhere on this little list, or even put the numbers in a generator and go with whatever the result is ♡

winter | spring | summer

🥧 ‧₊˚ ⋅ movies ⋅˚₊‧

nosferatu (1922) 

sabrina (1954)

the creature from the black lagoon (1954)

psycho (1960)

rosemary’s baby (1968)

the rocky horror picture show (1975)

halloween franchise (1978-)

friday the 13th franchise (1980-)

an american werewolf in london (1981)

dark crystal (1982)

a nightmare on elm street (1984)

ghostbusters (1984-)

ronja rövardotter (1984)

clue (1985)

princess bride (1987)

the witches of eastwick (1987)

elvira mistress of the dark (1988)

dead poets society (1989)

when harry met sally (1989)

ghost (1990)

the witches (1990)

death becomes her (1992)

hocus pocus (1993)

addams family values (1993)

interview with a vampie (1994)

the craft (1996)

the first wifes club (1996)

the scream franchise (1996-)

halloweentown (1998)

practical magic (1998)

you’ve got mail (1998)

the blair witch project (1999)

sleepy hollow (1999)

chocolat (2000)

amelie (2001)

the lord of the rings franchise (2001-2003)

scooby doo (2002)

school of rock (2003)

mona lisa smile (2003)

peter pan (2003)

pirates of the caribbean franchise (2003-2017)

north & south (2004)

pride and prejudice (2005)

the descent (2005)

just like heaven (2005)

the devil wears prada (2006)

the lake house (2006)

penelope (2006)

el orfanato (2007)

juno (2007)

ratatouille (2007)

bridge to terabithia (2007)

the edge of love (2008)

twilight (2008)

the curious case of benjamin button (2008)

julie & julia (2009)

jennifer’s body (2009)

dorian gray (2009)

coraline (2009)

true grit (2010)

the cabin in the woods (2011)

jane eyre (2011)

wuthering heights (2011)

perks of being a wallflower (2012)

the odd life of timothy green (2012)

hotel transylvania (2012-)

the conjuring franchise (2013-)

what we do in the shadows (2014)

the riot club (2014)

as above so below (2014)

john wick (2014-)

the age of adaline (2015)

the witch (2015)

far from the madding crowd (2015)

the edge of seventeen (2016)

paterson (2016)

20th century woman (2016)

the love witch (2016)

mary shelly (2017)

murder on the orient express (2017)

get out (2017)

a quiet place (2018 + 2020)

the guernsey literary and potato peel pie society (2018)

on the basis of sex (2018)

knives out (2019)

ready or not (2019)

the lighthouse (2019)

little women (2019)

the gentlemen (2019)

emma (2020)

ammonite (2020)

the dig (2021)

fear street trilogy (2021)

good luck to you, leo grande (2022)

the batman (2022)

fresh (2022)

bodies bodies bodies (2022)

mr malcom's list (2022)

totally killer (2023)

slay (2024)

🧦 ‧₊˚ ⋅ series ⋅˚₊‧

moomin (1990-1992)

twin peaks (1990-1991)

x files (1993-2018)

buffy the vampire slayer (1997-2003)

gilmore girls (2000-2007)

supernatural (2005-2020)

vampire diaries (2009-2017) / the originals (2013-2018) / legacies (2018-2022)

downton abbey (2010-2015)

the walking dead (2010-2022)

once upon a time (2011-2018)

american horror story (2011-)

teen wolf (2011-2017)

peaky blinders (2013-2022)

outlander (2014-)

how to get away with murder (2014-2020)

the magicians (2015-2020)

izombie (2015-2019)

poldark (2015-2019)

critical role (2015-)

stranger things (2016-)

ghost files / buzzfeed unsolved (2016-)

lucifer (2016-2021)

shadowhunters (2016-2019)

anne with an e (2017-2019)

the good fight (2017-2022)

riverdale (2017-2023)

manifest (2018-2023)

killing eve (2018-2022)

succession (2018-2023)

you (2018-)

a discovery of witches (2018-2022)

the chilling adventures of sabrina (2018-2020)

dickinson (2019-2021)

virgin river (2019-)

carnival row (2019-2023)

the witcher (2019-)

the umbrella academy (2019-2024)

sanditon (2019-2023)

good omens (2019-2025)

the haunting of bly manor (2020)

i’ll be gone in the dark (2020)

queens gambit (2020)

the great (2020-2023)

shadow and bone (2021-2023)

the nevers (2021-2023)

wednesday (2022-)

interview with the vampire (2022-)

vikings valhalla (2022-2024)

lessons in chemistry (2023)

my lady jane (2024-)

[theunderestimator-2]

"See you later, Joe…": On this day, Dec. 30th, 2002, the Punk Rock Warlord Joe Strummer’s funeral was held in private at West London Crematorium where he was cremated (from a Los Angeles Times clipping dated January 1, 2003).

The funeral was held on a dark and grey Monday with rain belting down in bucketfuls and the service was attended by his widow Lucinda and two daughters, the rest of the Clash, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon and Topper Headon, Chrissie Hynde and Jeannette Lee (formerly of PIL, then co-managing director of Rough Trade), Jim Jarmusch, Bob Gruen, Rat Scabies, Pearl Harbour, Joe Ely, Don Letts, the Clash road manager Johnny Greene, some more close friends and relatives, according to Chris Salewicz, who wrote 'Redemption Song: The Definitive Biography of Joe Strummer'.

He remembers that he heard about Joe’s death after Don Letts called him and when he called up Mick Jones, who in between sobs was his usual funny self, he told him

"… how glad he was he’d played with Joe at the benefit for the Fire Brigades Union five weeks before. -‘I don’t even know what religion he was,’ Mick said. -‘Some kind of Scottish low-church Presbyterian, I imagine,’ I suggested. -‘Church of Beer, probably,’ laughed Mick, tearfully. "…Joe’s coffin slowly comes in, held aloft by half a dozen pallbearers. It is placed down at the far end of the chapel. Keith Allen, the actor and comedian, steps forward and positions a cowboy hat on top of it. There’s a big sticker on the nearest end: ‘Question Authority’, it reads, then in smaller letters: ‘Ask Me Anything’. Next to it is a smaller sticker: ‘Vinyl Rules’. On the sides of the coffin are more messages: ‘Get In, Hold On, Sit Down, Shut Up’ and ‘Musicians Can’t Dance’. Around the end wall of the chapel are flags of all nations. More people are ushered in, like the kids Joe would make sure got through the stage-door at Clash gigs, until the place is crammed. …‘Wandering Star’ [by Lee Marvin] begins to play. ‘See you later, Joe,’ someone says. Yeah, see you later, Joe…" (from Chris Salewicz's 'Redemption Song: The Definitive Biography of Joe Strummer'.)

Soundtrack of the day: ‘Wandering Star’ - Lee Marvin (1969) "When I get to heaven, tie me to a tree/ Or I'll begin to roam, and soon you know where I will be/ I was born under a wandrin' star/ A wandrin' wandrin' star…"

A detailed rundown of Joe's funeral from Chris Salewicz's book: https://www.litres.ru/book/chris-salewicz/redemption-song-the-definitive-biography-of-joe-strummer-39768017/chitat-onlayn/

[addictivecontradiction]

Far from heaven, 2002

[sybill-the-seer]

A Bath or Two

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Summary: Bathtime at Number 4 Privet Drive in 1984 is very different to bathtime at Harry and Ginny's house in 2002. Harry plans to keep it that way.

Note: Thank you so much to @turanga4 for her incredible beta help, and to the TTB discord server for their wonderful wizarding bath toy ideas (all credit goes to @not-steve42 for the Grindylow idea)!

TW: Child abuse

Harry sat, stiff and cold in the tepid bath water, trying to cheer himself with the thought that his ordeal would soon be over. Aunt Petunia scrubbed his arm roughly, then let it splash back down into the now nearly opaque water. As she reached for the shampoo, Harry only just stopped himself groaning in despair.

“Please don’t let it get in my eyes this time!” he whinged, but he knew it was useless. Aunt Petunia never listened to him.

Sure enough, Aunt Petunia merely pursed her lips at his words, scooped up some water with the plastic cup she used for bathtime, and dumped it on his head unceremoniously, wetting the dark unruly strands in preparation for a scrub.

Harry screwed up his eyes as the water poured down his face, bracing himself for what he knew was coming next. Now he felt Aunt Petunia’s bony fingers on his scalp, rubbing the shampoo into his hair none too gently. Harry felt her fingers leave his head, heard the splash of the plastic cup in the water behind him, and reached up to cover his eyes, but it was too late. The soapy water cascaded down through his bangs, straight into his eyes before rushing down the rest of his face and dripping off his chin.

“Ow!” Harry cried, as the stinging began, his fingers flying to his eyes automatically. But rubbing only made it worse, and Harry began to cry as another waterfall of water and shampoo fell over his head.

Harry was crying in earnest now – he was blinded by the soap and the stinging, and Aunt Petunia’s dumping was only making things worse. Now he could taste the foul, bitter soap in his mouth.

“Stop!” Harry wailed, pushing Aunt Petunia’s hand away in an effort to make the water cease. It worked for a moment.

“Stop this nonsense, boy, I have to get the soap out of your hair!” she snapped, scooping up another cupful of water.

Still blinded by water and soap, Harry thrust out his hand again to block the water cup, but missed. At least, he didn’t feel his hand make contact with anything other than the slippery side of the bathtub. And yet he still heard Aunt Petunia screech at the same time as a splash – but the splash didn’t land on his head. He heard the thump of what he thought was a crouched Aunt Petunia losing her balance and hitting the floor before –

“What in heaven’s name do you mean by it, boy?!”

Harry tried to open his eyes to see what had happened, but he was too late. Aunt Petunia’s hand had grabbed his hair roughly, and now he was face down in the water.

He couldn’t breathe, he couldn’t come up for air, the hand was holding him down and Harry tried to yell at her to let him go but only bubbles came out…

It was only a moment before his aunt’s grip loosened abruptly, though it felt like an eternity, and Harry sat up, gasping and spluttering, blinking the water out of his eyes in shock. He looked over to see Aunt Petunia staring at her hand with astonishment and horror, water splashed all down the front of her blouse, the plastic bath cup far away from the tub on the floor. He wanted to ask what had happened, but stopped himself, deciding it would be unwise in Aunt Petunia’s current state. Instead, he watched her warily until she seemed to come back to her brisk self, ordering him out of the bath and tossing him a faded towel. He thought he heard her mutter something about “unnaturalness,” and “abnormalities,” before he scurried back to his cupboard to change into his pajamas.

________________________

Almost a lifetime later, Harry sat near his own bathtub looking down at the small boy splashing happily in the water. He held up a rubber duck to show Harry (a gift from Ginny, who found Muggle children’s toys delightful), chattering away about the story he was creating with all his bath toys. As he did so, his hair turned exactly the same shade of yellow as the duck.

“- he’s just crashed into that ship, see, and now the ship’s sinking – uh oh –” Teddy reached for the small ship, snatching it up into his little hand just before it hit the bottom of the bathtub.

“Saved it!” he cried, now holding both the ship and the duck in the air victoriously.

“That’s good,” Harry replied, “because we’re nearly done, and I don’t think we’d want to end bathtime with a shipwreck.”

But Teddy had already turned away, his mind lost to his imaginings once more. Harry filled the bath cup with water, cupped his hand to Teddy’s forehead, and poured the warm water over his bright hair. Teddy hardly noticed, now muttering an imagined conversation between the rubber duck and some sailor figurines who were shaking their little fists furiously.

While once Harry’s unpracticed hands had moved tentatively and unsteadily, unsure of how to angle the cup and his hand to avoid Teddy’s eyes, afraid of somehow slipping up and making him cry, now they were well used to the bathtime routine. In fact, Harry quietly prided himself on the fact that bathtime was never protested whenever Teddy came to stay.

Harry reached for the shampoo now, poured it smoothly into his other hand, and began massaging it gently into Teddy’s vivid hair, which slowly changed from yellow to black as he relaxed at Harry’s touch. Bath toys momentarily forgotten, Teddy tilted his head as far back as it could go and grinned up at Harry, his hazel eyes sparkling.

“That feels good.”

“Yeah?”

“Yeah.”

And with a little hum of contentment Teddy rolled his head back, Harry’s hands following his movement as he continued to massage in the shampoo. Teddy then reached for his little enchanted grindylow figurine that had been swimming lazily through the bathwater. As his hand approached it, it darted quickly away, and the boy laughed.

“Ok, time for a rinse,” Harry said, reaching again for the bath cup. “And then we’re all done.”

“All done?” Teddy whinged. “But I’m not done yet!”

“I’m sure Ginny will be waiting for us though – she probably has a game for us to play before bedtime. And don’t you want to try the hot chocolate we made?”

“I forgot about hot chocolate!”

“I thought you might have,” Harry chuckled, as Teddy turned away, now waiting impatiently for him to finish rinsing his hair.

Soon, Teddy had been helped out of the bath, into a warm towel, and finally into his pajamas covered with tiny custard puffskeins.

“Ginny!” he cried, rushing into the sitting room where Ginny sat, curled up on the sofa with a cup of hot chocolate. “Where’s my hot chocolate?” he asked, looking intently at her mug.

“Hmm, are you sure I didn’t drink it all myself? You were in the bath a long time…”

She grinned over at Harry, who shrugged helplessly. He had never been good at getting Teddy out of the bath promptly – it always took more than one coaxing to get Teddy out of the tub when Harry was in charge, and Ginny knew it. He didn’t mind though, as long as Teddy was having fun.

“No you didn’t! That cup’s not big enough for it all! I’m going to go check.” Teddy turned to race into the kitchen, Ginny getting up off the sofa to chase after him.

“You’ll have to beat me to it!” she called, and Teddy squealed happily.

Harry grinned and followed after them into the kitchen.

Note: I have a feeling I might get questions about this, so I’m just going to address it now: Petunia was NOT trying to drown Harry! It was an act of both rage and fear after the first instance of accidental magic, and an attempt to startle him out of crying. Still a completely unacceptable thing to do, and blatant child abuse, but no, she was not intending to drown him and I can’t see her ever attempting to go that far.

[tomorrowusa]

Extremist fundamentalists of different religions seem to have more in common with each other than they do with moderates of the same faith. They are invariably intolerant control freaks who feel they have the right to impose their wills on others. MAGA Mike Johnson would fit in well with Iran's theocrats.

Since his fellow Republicans made him their leader, numerous articles have reported Johnson’s religiously motivated, far-right views on abortion, same-sex marriage and LGBTQ+ rights. But that barely scratches the surface. Johnson was a senior lawyer for the extremist Alliance Defending Fund (later the Alliance Defending Freedom) from 2002 to 2010. This is the organization responsible for orchestrating the 303 Creative v Elenis legal arguments to obtain a ruling from the supreme court permitting a wedding website designer to refuse to do business with gay couples. It also played a significant role in annulling Roe v Wade. The ADF has always been opposed to privacy rights, abortion and birth control. Now Roe is gone, the group is laying the groundwork to end protection for birth control. Those who thought Roe would never be overruled should understand that the reasoning in Dobbs v Jackson is not tailored to abortion. Dobbs was explicitly written to be the legal fortress from which the right will launch their attacks against other fundamental rights their extremist Christian beliefs reject. They are passionate about rolling back the right to contraception, the right to same-sex marriage and the right to sexual privacy between consenting adults. Johnson’s inerrant biblical truth leads him to reject science. Johnson was a “young earth creationist”, holding that a literal reading of Genesis means that the earth is only a few thousand years old and humans walked alongside dinosaurs. He has been the attorney for and partner in Kentucky’s Creation Museum and Ark amusement park, which present these beliefs as scientific fact, a familiar sleight of hand where the end (garnering more believers) justifies the means (lying about science). For them, the end always justifies the means. That’s why they don’t even blink when non-believers suffer for their dogma.

There was recently a big experiment in rejecting science with the far right campaigning against COVID-19 vaccinations. That may have cost hundreds of thousands of lives in the US. MAGA Mike would like to apply that to all sectors of life in the US.

Setting aside all of these wildly extreme, religiously motivated policy preferences, there is a more insidious threat to America in Johnson’s embrace of scriptural originalism: his belief that subjective interpretation of the Bible provides the master plan for governance. Religious truth is neither rational nor susceptible to reasoned debate. For Johnson, who sees a Manichean world divided between the saved who are going to heaven and the unsaved going to hell, there is no middle ground. Constitutional politics withers and is replaced with a battle of the faithful against the infidels. Sound familiar? Maybe in Tehran or Kabul or Riyadh. But in America?

By doing anything other than voting Democratic in an election (i.e. voting Republican, wasting a vote on a loser third party, writing in a dead gorilla, not voting at all) people help pave the way for a fascist theocracy in the US.

Speaker MAGA Mike Johnson is already second in line for the presidency. That is WAY too close.

Voting may not always be convenient but theo-fascism is far less convenient.

[womansfilm]

The Reckless Moment (1949) / Mad Men 4.13 (2010) / Far From Heaven (2002) Daddy's Gone A-Hunting, 1958, Penelope Mortimer

[fuckyeahcostumedramas]

Julianne Moore as Cathy Whitaker in Far From Heaven (Film, 2002).

[aliveandfullofjoy]

Select pieces from Sandy Powell's Dressing the Part: Costume Design for Film (SCAD FASH Museum of Fashion + Film, Atlanta, February 15, 2025), from such films as Wittgenstein (1993), The Wings of the Dove (1997), Shakespeare in Love (1998), Far from Heaven (2002), Gangs of New York (2002), Carol (2015), Cinderella (2015), The Favourite (2018), and Mary Poppins Returns (2018).

[of-fear-and-love]

Dennis Haysbert in Far From Heaven (2002)

[theblueboxscholar]

Owen' Recommended Watching

Part 1

[I watch all of these shows regularly. I've seen most of them over a dozen times.]

Doctor Who 1963-Present

Doctor Who depicts the adventures of an extraterrestrial being called the Doctor, part of a humanoid species called Time Lords. The Doctor travels in the universe and in time using a time travelling spaceship called the TARDIS, which externally appears as a British police box. While travelling, the Doctor works to save lives and liberate oppressed peoples by combating foes. The Doctor often travels with companions.

Star Trek The Original Series 1966-1969

The show is set in the Milky Way, circa 2266-2269. The ship and crew are led by Captain James Kirk (William Shatner), first mate and Science Officer Spock (Leonard Nimoy), and Chief Medical Officer Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy (DeForrest Kelly). In the opening credits of each episode, Shatner explains the purpose of this starship: Space: The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission is to explore strange new worlds, find new life and new civilizations, and boldly go to places that no one has gone before.

M*A*S*H* 1972-1983

The show is an ensemble piece revolving around key personnel in a United States Army Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH) in the Korean War (1950–53). The "4077th MASH" was one of several surgical units in Korea.

The Golden Girls 1985 - 1992

The show, featuring an ensemble cast, revolves around four older single women (three widows and one divorcée) sharing a house in Miami. The owner of the house is a widow named Blanche Devereaux (McClanahan), who was joined by fellow widow Rose Nylund (White) and divorcée Dorothy Zbornak (Arthur) after they both responded to an ad on the bulletin board of a local grocery store a year before the start of the series. In the pilot episode, the three are joined by Dorothy's 80-year-old widowed mother, Sophia Petrillo (Getty), after the retirement home where she lived burned down.

Star Trek The Next Generation 1987 - 1994

Set in the latter third of the 24th century, when Earth is part of the United Federation of Planets, it follows the adventures of a Starfleet starship, the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D), in its exploration of the Alpha quadrant and Beta quadrant in the Milky Way galaxy.

Roseanne 1988 - 1997

The series centers on the Connor family, a working-class American family struggling to make ends meet on a limited family income. Dan, Roseanne, and their three young children, Becky, Darlene, and D.J., live at 714 Delaware Street in the monotonous fictional Mid-State suburb of Kane County, Illinois.

Family Matters 1989 - 1998

The show centers on the Winslow family, an African-American middle-class family living in Chicago, Illinois, and halfway through the first season, the Winslow family's nerdy Steve Ukkel (Jaryl White) is introduced, who originally appeared as a one-off character in the script. However, he soon became a breakthrough character in the show (and eventually the main character), joining the main cast.

Star Trek DS9 1993 - 1999

Set in the 24th century, when Earth is part of a United Federation of Planets, its narrative is centered on the eponymous space station Deep Space Nine, located adjacent to a wormhole connecting Federation territory to the Gamma Quadrant on the far side of the Milky Way galaxy.

7th Heaven 1996-2007

The series follows Reverend Eric Camden, a Protestant minister living in the fictional town of Glen Oak, California, and his wife Annie as they deal with the drama of raising 7 children (twins Sam and David come later in the series) ranging in age from babies to adults with families of their own.

George Lopez 2002 - 2007

The comedy revolves around a fictionalized portrayal of Lopez who works at the Powers Brothers aviation factory. George raises daughter Carmen and dyslexic son Max with his wife Angie, after surviving a miserable, dysfunctional childhood at the hands of his neglectful alcoholic mother Benny. The show stars the titular comedian George Lopez, who plays a fictionalized version of himself, featuring his life at work and his family life in Los Angeles, California.

[gayarograce]

so i'm taking a class this semester called practice of translation and it's got me thinking about les mis: (i think) the most translated musical thus far

more specifically, i've been thinking about how the french (and to a lesser extent, english) versions of the finale do some things that i really like that aren't done in any of the spanish translations i'm familiar with

i eventually want to make my own spanish translation of the finale that does as much of the following as possible

so, the first thing i want to take a look at is one of fantine's lines in the finale:

Dieu tout-puissant, pitié, pitié, pour cet homme

i've bolded and italicized the part i specifically want to look at: pitié, pitié. i don't know if this is intentional, but i'm running with the assumption that it was, but this directly calls back to the prologue of the musical, where the prisoners sing "pitié, pitié".

in case you're wondering, the english version does this too. fantine's line here is

Lord in heaven, look down on him in mercy

and in the english prologue, the prisoners are singing "look down, look down". again, while i'm not 100% certain, i'm assuming this was an intentional callback to lyrically bring the whole show together. one thing i will say is i'd describe the prologue's "look down" and the finale's "look down" as having two subtly different meanings, so i don't think the effect is quite as strong in the english version as it is in the french one.

what about in spanish? in the prologue, the prisoners sing "piedad, piedad", clearly mirroring the french version. what does fantine sing in the finale? there's two translations i'm going to look at. one from mexico back in 2002, in which she sings

Dios bendito, admítelo en tu reino

and another from mexico in 2018, where she sings

Dios del cielo, concédele tu gloria

neither of these translations do the same thing as the french and english versions of the song do. to be clear, before i go on, i'm not trying to bash the spanish translations here. they're perfectly fine translations, and in fact, i actually really like the mexico 2018 version. i'm just pointing out some observations that i've made while thinking about translation.

another thing i want to take a look at is the rhyme schemes in the "do you hear the people sing?" part of the finale. here's the full final verse (the one that gets repeated) from the french version:

Joignez-vous a la croisade, - A De ceux qui croient au genre humain? - A Pour une seule barricade qui tombe, - B Cent autres se lèveront demain! - A A la volonte du peuple, - C Un tambour chant dans le lointain, - A Qui vient annoncer le grand jour, et c'est pour demain! - A

i've outlined the main rhyme scheme here as A/A/B/A/C/A/A. keep this french version in mind because there's something (i think is) really cool here that i want to come back to at the end. but for now i'll move on the the english rhyme

Will you join in our crusade? - A Who will be strong and stand with me? - B Somewhere beyond the barricade, - A Is there a world you long to see? - B Do you hear the people sing? - C Say, do you hear the distant drums? - D It is the future that they bring - C When tomorrow comes! - D

here i've split it up into eight lines, instead of the seven i wrote the french version as. i've also notated the rhyme here as A/B/A/B/C/D/C/D. you'll note that i considered the slant rhyme croisade/humain to be part of the same rhyme in the french version, where as i split up the slant rhyme see/sing in the english version. this is honestly cause i thought A/B/A/B/C/D/C/D was a lot more common and would make a but more sense than A/B/A/B/B/C/B/C, and also because it seems like sing/bring was the more intended rhyme here.

i'm gonna make these last two quicker i hope. mexico 2002:

Ven y únete a luchar, - A Esta cruzada vencerá - A Tras de la barricada - A Un nuevo mundo pronto surgirá. - A ¡Hoy el pueblo cantará - A Con el tambor se anunciará - A Un nuevo mundo que mañana comenzará! - A

A/A/A/A/A/A/A. pretty easy. like croisade/humain, luchar/vencerá is a slant rhyme, but i thought it made sense to group them together as an intended rhyme, given the rest of the verse.

mexico 2018:

¿Te unirás a nuestra fe? - A Te necesito junto a mí - B Porque tras esta barricada hay un mañana que vivir. - B Canta el pueblo su canción. - C ¿Oyes el eco del tambor? - C ¡Son los redobles del futuro que empieza hoy! - C/D?

i'm clearly a little unsure about how to properly annotate this one. mí/vivir is a slant rhyme, as is canción/tambor. i'm not sure whether hoy is meant to rhyme with tambor or if it's meant to be its own standalone thing. strictly speaking, it's not the same vowel sound. but when the cast is holding out the last note, it sounds like they're holding the o and then transition to the oy sound at the very end of the note.

back to the french version, cause there's one more thing that it does that none of these other translations really do, and i think that elevates the french version of this song to possibly be my favorite, even if it's the only one i'm analyzing here which is in a language i can't really fully understand. take one more look at the last line:

Qui vient annoncer le grand jour, et c'est pour demain!

i'm going to show it again, but with a number corresponding to each beat of the song:

(4)Qui vient an(1)noncer (2)le grand (3)jour, et c'est (4)pour de(1)main!

i really, really like the internal rhyming on beats 3 and 4, leading up to the final note of the verse, with jour and pour. i think it adds a bit of finality, a sense of truly reaching the end, that satisfies me in a way the other translations i've looked at here don't quite achieve. and for that reason, i honestly think i like the french finale the most out of these. it's the most finale-like finale i've examined here.

you might be thinking, for a post that started with me talking translation, i haven't actually talked at all about what these lines actually mean, and how those meanings compare with one another. and that's mainly because when it comes to translating songs, there's way more to balance than just the pure meanings of the words. english, spanish, and french are clearly all languages in which rhyme is generally considered an important quality for most songs to have, and so when translating songs between these languages, one might argue that rhyming is more important than perfectly translating each word. yes, the translated songs should all convey the same message, but if they have to do it in slightly different ways in order to sound more song-like in the target language, that's okay i feel.

i talked about rhyme in this post because 1) it's what i happened to be thinking about when considering the different translations, and 2) i've had to translate a few poems for my translation class, and i honestly don't think i've been prioritizing rhyming as much as i necessarily should. analyzing professional translations is perhaps one of the best ways to get better at translation myself. as i think i stated at the top of this post, i eventually want to take into account everything i talked about here and try to create my own spanish translation of the finale to les mis which does more of the things the french version does. while i haven't talked about the meanings of the words, if you're able to read both english and spanish, i think you'll agree with me that it's pretty clear that the spanish version was generally translated from the english version, as opposed to the french version. i think, when it comes time for me to attempt my own spanish translation, i'd probably do well to try and mirror more closely the french version.

if i ever start it and, more importantly, get around to finishing it, i'll make sure to post it here and talk about why i made the choices that i did.